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Post by Vash on Sept 9, 2004 19:42:22 GMT -5
The Star Wars trilogy finally comes out on dvd in a few weeks. Once again, Uncle George has to change stuff. From what I've heard, the changes include Greedo shooting first (but only barely) but with Han not looking so jerky and weird as he did in the SE. Also, they took out the emperor palpatine scream they added in when Luke falls into the shaft in Cloud City in the SE. Also, I think everyone already knows about the Hayden Christiansen ghost at the end of ROTJ and the gungans in the ending celebration.
I cant say I mind these changes too much (except they Hayden ghost, thats pretty lame) but the biggest reason for me wanting this is the fact that they've cleaned up the video and from what I hear it looks awesome now. Plus, with it on a digital format, it wont ever degrade like vhs does.
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Post by Nimrod on Sept 9, 2004 19:49:43 GMT -5
Here's a list of all the rumoured changes for all 3 flicks I got emailed to me by a friend a while back. I think he got it from force.net but don't quote me on it. Interesting stuff though..
Episode IV: A New Hope
01. The Imperial March has been added to Darth Vader's first appearance on Princess Leia's ship. 02. When Obi-Wan is talking to Luke about his father Anakin's Theme plays in the background and then it turns into the Imperial March as he talks about Vader. 03. The lightsaber effects have been redone and the frame jumps of lightsabers being turned on has been removed. 04. There's a new scene which has been shot during the filming of Episode III in which the Emperor dissolves the Senate. 05. In the Cantina, the Duros(green aliens guys) have been replaced with Neimoidians and some aliens from the prequels have been added. 06. The bleeding arm on the floor in the Cantina has been replaced with a non-bleeding arm because it's now canon that lightsabers cauterize wounds. 07. The original shooting scene between Han and Greedo has been restored. 08. Jabba the Hutt has been given a makeover and Han no longer steps on his tale. 09. In place of R2 wobbling down the stairs to the Falcon's hangar, a CG R2 navigating the stairs like he does in Attack of the Clones was added. 10. The white boxes around space ships have been removed and new CG shots have been added. 11. The scene of the Falcon being chased by the two Star Destroyers was modified. The Falcon now does spinning moves, avoiding the Star Destroyers' fire. 12. When the Death Star destroys Alderaan there's a new scene of Yoda's reaction to the disturbance in the Force that is created by all those deaths and then it cuts to Obi-Wan reacting to it as well. 13. The Dianoga has gotten a CG makeover and were are now able to see more of the creature. 14. The Death Star's paneling and computers have been slightly altered to show similar displays to those in the prequels. 15. The words "Tractor Beam" with Aurebesh lettering. 16. More stormtroopers have been added to the Death Star. 17. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for use with all the stormtroopers. 18. The Obi-Wan/Vader duel has been spruced up. It is much more epic and there is much more movement. A modified version of Duel of the Fates is being considered for the scene. 19. The Death Star plans that are taken from R2 have been updated. When the Rebels are reviewing the Death Star plans they look similar to the plans we see in Attack of the Clones. 20. The Death Star battle is much more epic with more Tie Fighters and more Rebels being blown to bits. We get to see old Naboo starfighters being used by the Rebels. 21. There's a new scene(shot during Episode III) where Darth Vader goes to Coruscant and lands his ship in the same building Count Dooku does at the end of Attack of the Clones. Except now the building is all fixed up and it is now Palpatine's palace. He meets with Palpatine to ask for forgiveness for his failure and inform him of a new potential who is strong in the Force. 22. Chewbacca now gets a medal.
Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
01. The taun-tauns are now CG. 02. The battle of Hoth is much more epic. We see the Imperial ships land on Hoth and release AT-ATs. The AT-ATs have been sped up a bit. There's a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers featuring new ships and vehicles. 03. Temuera Morrison's voice is being recorded for the older Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers. 04. The white boxes around space ships have been removed. 05. The slug monster is CG. 06. Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor. The conversations between Vader and Palpatine is now longer and features a few connections to the prequels. 07. Yoda's face is now animated in CG allowing more _expression of emotions yet his movements remain the same. Also two deleted scenes featuring Yoda instructing Luke have been restored. 08. A new scene was shot in which the stormtroopers, after they capture Han, Leia and Chewie, bring Vader the box containing C-3PO in pieces. Vader orders the stormtroopers to bring the broken droid to Chewbacca's cell so that he can fix him. 09. The lightsaber effects have been redone in certain parts. 10. Luke's fall from Cloud City has been reshot against bluescreen using a stuntman.
Episode VI: Return of the Jedi
01. Jabba the Hutt is now a combination of the puppet and CG. 02. The Rancor is CG and looks disgusting as ever. 03. Yoda is CG. Yoda disappears leaving his clothes behind like Obi-Wan now. 04. The ewoks are now mostly CG and there are a lot more of them. 05. The plan is to insert the love theme Across the Stars when Luke is talking with Leia about their mother. 06. Temuera Morrison's like before is now the voice for Boba Fett and all the stormtroopers. 07. In the battle of Endor there are thousands of Ewoks and they are more vicious than there midgets-in-suits counterparts. More bite the dust now. 08. White boxes around ships removed. 09. The black blotches around Palpatine's face are gone. 10. Some of the lightsaber effects have been redone. The shadows that the lightsabers made on the floor are gone. 11. During Anakin's death scene it starts with a sad rendition of the Imperial March and slowly evolves into Anakin's Theme. 12. Sebastion Shaw who played Anakin when he was unmasked has been replaced with Hayden Christenson in make-up to make him look older. Anakin has much more dialogue. He apologizes for the destruction he caused, he thanks his son for turning him back to the light, he tells his son to rebuild the Jedi and he says he loves him and his sister. Just before he dies he says, "It is finished...". 13. We see more planets celebrating at the end of the movie. We see an aged Jar Jar, who is now the leader of the Gungans, on Naboo celebrating with the people of Naboo and the Gungans. We see an old Watto, who is now unable to fly, sitting in a hover chair cheering on Tatooine. During these scenes Across the Stars plays transitioning to the victory celebration music at the Ewok tree village. 14. Anakin's spirit is now played by Hayden Christenson with make-up to make him look his age. He looks on proudly at his son Luke with the spirit of Padme by his side.
Personally, I'm like Vash, I'm not too worry nor will I make a big deal over it. I still have the original movie on VHS so if I get really annoyed I can watch those if I want to see the movies I remember seeing.
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Post by Vash on Sept 9, 2004 20:10:16 GMT -5
Wow, I didnt realize they went THAT far with changing it. I dont mind them sprucing up some old sfx, like getting rid of the boxes around ships or getting rid of the lightsabers looking white. Also it seems they couldnt leave well enough alone and have to ruin Boba Fett even more ;_; I hope they decide to release the original versions on dvd sometime (alas, I never got them on vhs), but with Lucas decreeing that "this is the only version" means that will be unlikely. I guess I'll have to download the laserdisc rips sometime...
EDIT - here is IGN's list of the changes for the dvds:
Episode IV: A New Hope
# Lots of matte lines removed. The space under Luke's speeder looks much more realistic. # R2D2's blue parts are much cleaner and more consistent. # The 1997 animation added to the entrance to Mos Eisley is much smoother. # Greedo and Han shoot at the same time, and Han's dodge is far more realistic. # Jabba has been retexturized and looks considerably better. Han still walks on his tail, but it's much smoother. # The lettering on various Death Star panels are written in Aurebesh rather than English. # The matte-painted hall in Leia's detention block looks much more realistic. # Lightsabers look much better. Colors are far brighter and the blades are more defined.
# Episode V: The Empire Strikes Back
# The battle of Hoth is enhanced with a ground battle between the Rebel soldiers and stormtroopers # Ian McDiarmid has refilmed scenes as the Emperor instead of that near-fossil they had. # The conversations between Vader and Palpatine has a few new lines. Palpatine knows that Luke is Vader's son. # Light sabers are again fixed, making them more consistent. # Temuera Morrison does the voice of Boba Fett # Luke's inane scream when he jumps to escape Vader on Cloud City is gone. And there was much rejoicing.
# Episode VI: Return of the Jedi # Like the other two, the light sabers are fixed. # The Rancor looks considerably better, with its matte lines removed. # When Vader's helmet is removed, his eyebrows are gone and his eyes are recolored to match Hayden's. # Celebrations on Naboo, Coruscant and one other planet, where a statue is toppled right before we see the celebration with the ewoks. # Perhaps this was in the 1997 special editions, but in the various background shots of the new Death Star, its appearance changes and you can see progress as the station takes shape. # Hayden Christensen replaces Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's ghost. Lucas explains this in the commentary, which is spoilerish for Episode III.
So, it looks like Lucas didnt go quite as far change the trilogy as we first though, but it still bugs me that they had to change Boba Fett's voice. Bleh.
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Post by Nimrod on Sept 10, 2004 7:12:47 GMT -5
That's interesting Vash. You can definitely tell which changes are probably true given how my list is quite old and yours is fairly new.
I'm still not too cool of all this "we must use Hayden instead of the original actor" stuff but like I said, I'm not too worried and I have my original VHS videos.
This does prove one thing, George Lucas definitely has lost his mind.
I fear what would happen if Speilberg died suddendly and he had a chance to re-do the indy movies.
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Post by isaacjoule on Sept 12, 2004 23:27:08 GMT -5
Sooo, it looks like Star Wars is becoming less like Star Wars and more like "SPECIAL EFFECTS: THE TRILOGY"
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Post by Vash on Sept 13, 2004 0:34:08 GMT -5
I suppose they figure this would be easier than to go back to the prequel trilogy and add acting and story.
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Post by amalgamas on Sept 13, 2004 1:53:10 GMT -5
what frightens me now is that if lucas survives to ever made a sequel triology....
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Post by Nimrod on Sept 13, 2004 7:05:28 GMT -5
what frightens me now is that if lucas survives to ever made a sequel triology.... I know what you mean amal. Before he has said "Jedi is where the story ends and there will be nothing after that" but recently rumours has started to pop up saying Lucas is "interested" in doing another trilogy after Jedi. Logic says Lucas should take a adapt the story from the Zahn Trilogy and make movies off of them. The story is there and is accepted by the Star Wars nerds. However, knowing lucas, he'll probably opt to do his own story where we will have to endure a character like "jim-jam" or something of the sort. Sad thing is, I'd probably go and see the movies anyway...
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Post by Xenocide on Sept 13, 2004 18:44:44 GMT -5
I know what you mean amal. Before he has said "Jedi is where the story ends and there will be nothing after that" but recently rumours has started to pop up saying Lucas is "interested" in doing another trilogy after Jedi. Logic says Lucas should take a adapt the story from the Zahn Trilogy and make movies off of them. The story is there and is accepted by the Star Wars nerds. However, knowing lucas, he'll probably opt to do his own story where we will have to endure a character like "jim-jam" or something of the sort. Sad thing is, I'd probably go and see the movies anyway... The Zahn Trilogy is technically Episodes 7, 8, and 9. So it really wouldn't surprise me if Georgy-boy does it or has someone else do it for him.
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Post by Nimrod on Sept 13, 2004 18:49:42 GMT -5
The Zahn Trilogy is technically Episodes 7, 8, and 9. So it really wouldn't surprise me if Georgy-boy does it or has someone else do it for him. It is but my point is, knowing Geroge Lucas' ego and controlfreakish-ness, would he make the next 3 eps based off something he didn't write, think up of, etc etc?
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Post by Vash on Sept 13, 2004 20:07:53 GMT -5
Lucas' basic thought behind Star Wars is that its HIS story, and he can do whatever he wants with it. Knowing this, I can confidently say he wouldnt do a Star Wars movie based on someone else's story, no matter how good or critically acclaimed it may be. Also, Hamill, Ford, and Fischer are way too old to play the parts now. I have a feeling that unless they go back and do something set around the same time as KOTOR, ROTS will be the end of the Star Wars movies.
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Post by amalgamas on Sept 14, 2004 11:44:29 GMT -5
i dunno....i seem to remember in an interview him saying he had both a script for the prequel and sequel trilogies written already....something about how that was the only way he could write the original star wars...
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Post by Dante on Sept 14, 2004 11:48:07 GMT -5
i dunno....i seem to remember in an interview him saying he had both a script for the prequel and sequel trilogies written already....something about how that was the only way he could write the original star wars... Maybe that's what he said to try to generate more hype for the prequels. If you watch the special features however for the prequels concerning script writing, he takes you on a brief tour of a back room on his ranch with a healthy collection of vhs movies and a small tv. He spends the entire day watching movies to get ideas then writes them down to be sorted out later - doesn't seem to sound like he has a master plan.
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Post by Xenocide on Sept 14, 2004 15:10:27 GMT -5
True, considering that in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Boba Fett's true identity was shown and Lucas decided he's much rather have him be a clone of "Jango" Fett. That's what pissed me off more than anything else about Episode II.
Lucas is lying about having other scripts written, he made Star Wars IV and originally named it "The Star Wars." That's what appeared on screen at the premiere, it was soon after that, that he decided he wanted to make a big long drawn out thing with it and had it renamed as "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope." So that right there tells you that he's just bull crapping.
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Post by Nimrod on Sept 14, 2004 17:33:38 GMT -5
True, considering that in Tales of the Bounty Hunters, Boba Fett's true identity was shown and Lucas decided he's much rather have him be a clone of "Jango" Fett. That's what pissed me off more than anything else about Episode II. That pissed me off to no end as well. Way to take one of the biggest baddass characters OF ALL TIME and make him into a little prick who I wish would just die. Lucas is lying about having other scripts written, he made Star Wars IV and originally named it "The Star Wars." That's what appeared on screen at the premiere, it was soon after that, that he decided he wanted to make a big long drawn out thing with it and had it renamed as "Star Wars Episode IV: A New Hope." So that right there tells you that he's just bull crapping. Yep. Best thing Ol'George boy should do is just to leave it be, finish ep 3 and walk away to his castle in california. Sadly, it looks like he'll mess around with any and all his movies until the end of time because "they're mine and I can do whatever I want with them".
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